Hallo, leute! Wie geht’s?
Hello, friends! How are you this week?
IT IS MAY THE FOURTH! Happy Star Wars Day, friends!!!
It has been a blazing hot last few days up here in my corner of the world, and today it’s cooled off enough for a gentle breeze to roll through my open window.
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Today, I (or should I say we) have a very special post for you all. Me and my dear bloggy friend (and honorary big sis) Maribeth are, quite frankly, obsessed with Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker and all things related to The Sequel Trilogy.
But, our little Reylo-shippin’ souls came to a very bleak realization recently: our little Star Wars babies got a lot of hate after the last movie was released. And, well, as writers…we wanted to throw our own voices out into the mix.
That’s right: we’re talking about the writing, plot twists/holes, Reylo, and common hiccups/nitpicks people found with the latest installment in the Star Wars saga.
So, Maribeth and I asked ourselves a few questions about The Rise of Skywalker, and we are here to share our answers with you. I hope you all get your Star Wars juices flowing and are intrigued by our answers. Even better, I hope it sparks discussion in the comments. 😉
But, before we get started, if you haven’t discovered Maribeth’s blog yet, please hop over there, explore it, and give her a follow! Her posts are always some of my favorites to read. She’s an amazing writer, she’s been an amazing friend and mentor to me, and I am so honored to be able to do this collaboration with her. Thank you, Maribeth!
Alright! Now, without further ado, let us proceed.
What were your expectations for The Rise of Skywalker?
MB: Honestly, I just expected to have a good time! I’d already heard some of the negative rumblings about it, but I knew that if I didn’t get to hear that majestic opening fanfare in the theater one last time, I’d hate myself. I also knew walking into the theater (thanks to Twitter) that Rey was a Palpatine…but that she’d rejected that heritage, standing on her identity as a Jedi instead. Believing in and remembering who you truly are is a message that has always resonated with me–so as far as I was concerned, I was seeing TROS for Rey’s sake.
But I never would’ve expected to leave the theater in such a happy daze! There was just so much to love about TROS. The Rey/Finn/Poe Trio (and their hilarious banter), all the nods to the original movies (Lando, Threepio, THE DEATH STAR), the beautifully-handled redemption of Ben Solo, Rey’s Tony Stark-esque “I am all the Jedi” declaration…gah, it was wonderful.
EB: I was incredibly nervous going into the film. During the day leading up to the premiere (which I was really looking forward to), I read a myriad of spoiler-free reviews discussing how horrible the film was. I even remember seeing a headline which claimed that it was one of the worst films since the prequel trilogy. I was expecting the worst! For me, The Last Jedi was a “good” movie, but I was left disappointed on a few levels, and this also influenced my expectations for The Rise of Skywalker.
Hearing the critics’ response to TROS was heartbreaking, but I was determined to see it anyway. I went into the theater with as open a mind as I could muster, and I ended up falling in love with the film. As Maribeth said, I too left the theater in “a happy daze!” There are so many things I love about the film: the introduction of Rey’s new force powers on Pasaana, “Poe Dameron, spice runner,” Jannah and the Orbaks on Kef Bir, and (most notably) the long anticipated Bendemption, which was done so well. Their little team-up at the end made the entire film so memorable. But, more on that later… 😉
Some have claimed that The Rise of Skywalker feels like fanfiction and isn’t consistent with other aspects of the sequel trilogy. What is your response to this?
MB: As far as it not being consistent with other aspects of the sequel trilogy, I think that’s a valid argument. TROS takes the story in a wildly different direction than TLJ. Whereas TLJ seemed to be setting up a possible “Grey Jedi” conclusion (where a true, Buddhist-style “balance of the Force” would be endgame), TROS is much more of a black-and-white morality play with surprisingly strong Christian overtones. As a Christian, I definitely prefer TROS’ worldview, and at the same time acknowledge without hesitation that this worldview “shift” is very noticeable.
As far as the fanfic accusation goes…my snarky side would like to point out that most of The Return of the Jedi feels like fanfiction, too. Leia spends an inordinate chunk of time in a skimpy slave outfit, adorable teddy bears take down stormtroopers, and Han Solo acts OOC half the time. (Just sayin’.) If TROS feels like fanfiction, it’s not the first Star Wars movie to face that accusation.
EB: I too would have to agree with this but only on some levels. There are a few details that feel a bit incomplete and illogical about the film (i.e. Palpatine being Snoke, the wayfinder scavenger hunt on the Special™ knife that just happens to be in the right place at the right time, Threepio’s fake memory-wipe).
And, it deviated very far from the sharp left TLJ made after TFA. Better communication between directors probably wouldn’t have hurt! I enjoyed the changes J.J. Abrams made to correct the way the sequel trilogy was heading, but I feel like so many things were swept to the side. Rey and Finn’s friendship never went anywhere after being set up so well in TFA. At the ending of TLJ, the Resistance is left with only ten people on one ship, but at the beginning of TROS, they have their entire fleet back and loads more fighters. The time gap between the two films was never completely explained.
Would you have changed the ending of The Rise of Skywalker in any way?
MB: There’s this beautiful moment in the novelization right after Ben dies, when Rey hears him whisper to her through the Force, “I will always be with you.” Not gonna lie: when I first read that, my poor lil’ heart nearly exploded, haha! I would’ve included that, then shown his Force-ghost alongside Luke and Leia’s at the very end. Just little glimpses like that would’ve given us some nice emotional closure…and reminded us that no one is ever really gone in Star Wars. (*sips tea with a meaningful quirk of my eyebrows*)
EB: Rey and Ben Solo kissed, my Reylo dreams were fulfilled, but then all of a sudden, he died. Literally, he fell over without saying another word and he was gone. First of all, I would have preferred a few dying breaths, in which Rey shed some tears!!!, comforted him, and maybe even affirmed his redemption to soothe any remaining doubts he may have had. Gentle reminder that the Exegol team-up is his first interaction alone with her since the Kef Bir fight.
I would have loved for him to say how he felt about her or to even say thank you for giving him a chance at redemption when he couldn’t even give himself that chance. I would have really appreciated a bit more time before he just went and died like that. And then she takes off in her x-wing and doesn’t spend a few moments to cry over his body?? That might have been nice, if I’m being honest. It was so sudden and really shocking for my little Reylo soul.
Kylo Ren was considered a terrible villain by the majority of the Star Wars fandom; was redeeming Ben Solo the best way to cure that reaction?
MB: I mean…he’s still a terrible villain. Let’s not forget the villagers he had massacred on Jakku, his invasion and violation of Rey’s mind, Han Solo’s murder, or his attempt to annihilate his mom and the Resistance on Crait. Kylo Ren did some really heinous things. We’re missing the point of his story if we don’t acknowledge that.
But as a perceptive fan once said, Adam Driver actually played three different characters in this story: Kylo, Ben, and the conflicted soul caught between the two. That is so accurate. And now that we actually know how the saga ends, it brings a whole new beauty and complexity to his story arc. It certainly changes the way I watch Ben/Kylo now. I have so much more compassion and sorrow for him than I used to. I find him fascinating, infuriating, occasionally rather funny (“The droid…stole a freighter???”), and heartbreaking–but in the end, quite the impressive hero, as well.
(Also, I don’t think I would’ve just bought all four issues of the Rise of Kylo Ren comic series if I didn’t have this much more nuanced view of the character now. Ahem.)
EB: From the moment he took off the helmet in TFA, I remember being so shocked. My initial reaction was a tiny gasp, followed by a, “Whoa; he’s a kid!” I remember hearing of other actors who were considered for the part, one of whom was Hugo Weaving, who is much older than Adam Driver. I personally enjoyed Kylo Ren being a young villain as an alternative to the older villains of the Star Wars universe. However, Kylo’s temper tantrums/bursts of rage in TLJ feel “kiddish,” and he seems like a little toddler trying to play with his toys (i.e. The First Order).
In a way, this childishness is what represents the fact that he simply doesn’t belong on the Dark Side. Sith lords and Imperial placeholders are all incredibly composed, confident, and cooly evil, and when you put Kylo Ren up against their images, he is quite different. He’s erratic, impulsive, angry…tormented is probably the best word. He tries too hard to embrace the dark, and it is with him as it is with the audience: he’s trying to convince himself that he’s evil.
Redeeming Ben Solo gave the audience what they wanted all along: a character who knows what he is. As Ben embraces the Light, so the audience embraces him. Remember how much you wanted him to not murder Han Solo on the bridge? Remember how much you wanted him to come to the Light? Well, that’s what we finally get in TROS, and I think it was the perfect way to resolve Ben’s internal conflict and the problems audiences saw with his “badness.”
Rey’s incredible Force powers are sometimes considered unbelievable by critics since they have not been seen in other (or more powerful) Jedi of the Star Wars universe. What are your thoughts on Rey’s Force powers?
MB: When I first saw TFA, I was convinced Rey was either a Skywalker, a Solo, or a Kenobi. The movie had set her up to be “Somebody,” and that seemed to be the only logical explanation for her powers! I simply had to wait and see whose daughter (or granddaughter) she would be. Turns out I wasn’t too far off the mark, haha.
Of course, part of her strength isn’t just from the fact that she’s a Palpatine. She’s also one half of a Dyad. But again, we didn’t know that back in the days of TFA, so I suspect this criticism of Rey’s abilities has been rendered irrelevant.
EB: Qui-Gon Jinn sure could’ve used some of those healing powers, eh? I’ve heard that one quite a few times around the interwebz.
Anyway, I would like to argue here that The Force knows no bounds. If an individual uses The Force to accomplish something that’s never been done before, why is that so wrong? The fact that The Force exists is enough to warrant the stretch of the imagination! Why can healing someone with it (which has never been seen before) be so difficult to accept?
I think Rey’s force powers make her unique from the past Jedi we have seen in the Star Wars universe. The way she uses The Force isn’t just in combat. She actually uses The Force to bring life, health, and forgiveness to others. Let’s not forget the way she healed Ben Solo on Kef Bir, which actually helped trigger the Bendemption.
Palpatine. That’s it. That’s the question.
MB: It is a Very Big Question, haha! I do like the fact that ol’ Palps returned. It makes thematic sense, seeing as how he was the Prime Villain of both the Prequel and Original Trilogies—but it needed so much more foreshadowing! If I were in charge of the Sequel Trilogy (and actually planned the story out from beginning to end like a responsible writer…*side-eyes Disney*) I would’ve woven his return into the story all the way back in TFA.
That said, the excellent TROS novelization answers ALL our questions about his return. The Palps we see in TROS is actually a clone: the Emperor did die at the hands of Anakin Skywalker in The Return of the Jedi, but through all kinds of nasty Sith sorcery his henchmen created a series of clone bodies to house his spirit. And NO, Palpatine did not have a wife or a biological child. Rey’s father is actually one of those clones, albeit a failed one: he turned out to be much too good-hearted to house Palpatine’s spirit, so he was expelled from Exegol, ended up marrying a lovely woman, and had Rey. When Palpatine found out, he decided he wanted Rey for himself–hence her parents’ desperate attempt to hide her.
Why the filmmakers didn’t include this information in the movie is beyond me. Heck, why they didn’t plan out the whole Trilogy in a more organized fashion is also beyond me. I love it to death, don’t get me wrong–but it’s a mess.
EB: I’d like to add on to Maribeth’s point here. Palpatine was never once hinted at during the preceding two films of the trilogy. I never even found so much as an easter egg.
Apparently Rey imitates “Palpatine’s fighting style from the animated series Clone Wars,” in TFA (as per this article which was very interesting) but that’s probably the only hint that we were ever given. But then, TLJ gave us no clue as to who Rey’s parents are, and I never for one second believed that “they were nobody” as that film implied.
It felt very “thrown together” at the last second, I will admit. I also feel like Disney probably hadn’t planned Palps’s return since TFA.
BUT! I will say that I can totally believe that he survived. This is Star Wars, people. Teddy bears live on jungle planets in tribes. Abominable snow monsters live in ice caves. People can make things move by flicking their fingers. A guy who was thrown into a volcano and had every limb on his body burned to a crisp and amputated became the strongest supervillain in the galaxy. So…can an evil overlord fall down a pit, save himself through means of clone tech and sorcery, and then come back with a master plan fifty years later? Umm…why not? That’s not even a stretch with all things considered.
Should Ben Solo have died?
MB: This is where I become the actual human personification of those hilarious Head-and-Heart comics. “Head” insists that Ben Solo’s death is morally satisfying because 1) his sacrifice for Rey proved his conversion was genuine, and 2) it atoned for what he did to the Galaxy and his father. But “Heart” stomps its foot and wails about how the Jedi should have granted him a second chance at life so he and Rey could have beautiful lil’ babies, train those Force-sensitive kids from Canto Bight, and just be an awesome, happy Dyad.
Clearly, I am emotionally compromised.
EB: If I was a part of this film’s production team, things would have gone very differently. It should never have happened at all. It would have proved way more interesting if they had given him an opportunity to redeem himself with the Resistance. We only had ten minutes (if not less) of Jedi Ben, and I loved Jedi Ben. I was actually really shocked when he just fell over not ten seconds after kissing Rey. It was way too abrupt. There were no dying words, last breaths, moments of reassurance from Rey (which I mentioned earlier), etc.
When it came to Ben Solo’s death, there was no emotional closure. I was also particularly perturbed when his Force Ghost™ did not appear alongside Luke and Leia’s on Tatooine. That really hurt my soul. Very deeply.
Maribeth mentioned to me earlier this week over text that in the TROS novelization, Ben whispers to Rey, “I will always be with you” through the Dyad after he has died. And Rey responds with “no one is ever really gone.” If this was inserted into THE FILM, it would have made me a much happier bean indeed, especially since it shows that even though he has died, their Dyad knows no bounds and is still strong in death. And, if I may be so bold *looks over glasses at Disney,* does this mean we’re not too foolish in possibly expecting another Star Wars film with our Rey and Ben?
I’m just gonna leave that there.
Some have criticized Ben and Rey’s relationship, labelling it “abusive.” What is your response to these claims, and why do you ship Reylo?
MB: As someone who stubbornly refused to ship Reylo for 4 years, I understand and even agree with that objection. A romance between Rey and Kylo would’ve definitely been toxic! Rey herself knew that: that’s why she refused to take his hand. But she had faith that her vision of Ben’s redemption would come true. She wanted to take his hand, not Kylo’s. She was always in love with Ben—who he was and who he could be again.
This is why I ship Rey and Ben: it’s basically Beauty and the Beast in a galaxy far, far away. You don’t ship Belle with the Beast when he’s horrid…but you do ship them when the Prince inside comes back to life.
EB: So, I didn’t officially “ship” Reylo until The Last Jedi. But, ever since The Force Awakens, I was pretty insistent on the fact that Ben had feelings for Rey. Then I thought I was just overthinking things.
BUT…The Last Jedi really confirmed it for me. Their Dyad connection, how close she got to him in that elevator (*mmhmm*), the “join me” scene, their communication in the hut on Ahch-To (when she confides in him after the mirror cave incident especially), the conflict in Rey and her decision to try and save him, etc. Even she was beginning to show feelings for him against her better judgement, and the tears she shed when he asked her to join the Dark Side (and she had to refuse) were proof of that.
So yes: when The Rise of Skywalker came around, I was hoping for some Reylo. Do I think it would have been super toxic if they had been together before he came to the light? Definitely. I’m not denying that. But I never wanted Rey and Ben to be together whilst being on opposite sides of the Force. I always wanted Ben to come to the light and for them to be an adorkable Jedi duo (which only happened for like TEN MINUTES! WHY DISNEY, WHY???)
They are a Dyad. They are drawn to each other. Rey showed him enough compassion to turn his heart. These factors made it a deal maker for me, and Reylo officially became my Sequel Trilogy OTP. Too bad it was only canon for like five seconds. *sighs*
How do you feel about Rey being a Palpatine?
MB: I may be in the minority, but I actually love this plot twist. Like I said earlier, TFA heavily implied that Rey was a “Somebody.” And as painful as thinking your own parents sold you into slavery would be, finding out your grandfather is the biggest, baddest Sith Lord in the history of the universe is even worse. What’s to stop you from following in his footsteps? Maybe your doom is already sealed: from the Dark Side you came, and to the Dark Side you shall return.
But Rey’s rejection of her grandfather, in my opinion, actually confirms (rather than undermines) the message we got in TLJ: you’re defined by the choices you make and the allegiances and convictions you stand on, not by who your parents or grandparents are.
EB: I thought it worked out really well, to be honest. Maybe it wasn’t planned from the beginning, but I think making her a Palpatine shattered a lot of people’s fan theories and made it incredibly interesting. I remember theorizing that she was a descendent of Qui-Gonn. Especially after that hair style she rocked in The Last Jedi. Major Qui-Gonn vibes there, honey.
I actually love that Rey is a Palpatine. A lot of fans had hoped that Rey really would turn out to be “a nobody,” and many took issue with the fact that she wasn’t, because it supposedly meant that “nobodies” couldn’t be Force-sensitive…that you had to be special to be a Jedi. As it turned out, Rey was actually the descendent of an incredibly powerful Sith Lord.
But hang on!
Her transformation into possibly the most powerful Jedi the fandom has ever seen showed us that even those with an evil ancestry can make their own conscious choice to choose the Light. Besides, maybe making Rey a “nobody” would have been interesting, but it would have been really anticlimactic, especially after all the hints Disney left us and all the crazy things they put us through over the last…gosh, has it really been five years since The Force Awakens?? Was I really only thirteen when that film came out? Gee willikers.
What were the biggest surprises of The Rise of Skywalker?
MB: For me, the biggest shocks were Chewie’s apparent death, Han’s return, and the Skywalker Lightsaber Swap. I either didn’t see those moments coming, or (in Han’s case, at least) I knew it would happen at some point but didn’t know when or how.
EB: Ooh. This is an interesting question. Sehr interessant!
For me, the biggest surprise of The Rise of Skywalker was when Rey blasted that one transport on Pasaana with lightning bolts from her own hands! This started giving me Palpatine vibes, and my little head was very excited and near the point of blowing itself up. Also Ben’s redemption…I wasn’t sure if it would ever happen, and when it did I was happiness itself. 😉
Well, how are we feeling, friends? You’ve made it to the end. First of all, congratulations. This is probably one of the longest posts ever to appear on this blog, and if you’ve made it this far, I salute you, centurion.
How did you feel about The Rise of Skywalker? Did you arrive at the same conclusions as Maribeth and I? Or were you less impressed by the Sequel Trilogy’s finale? Please, let’s get a discussion simmering in the comments.
But just a simmer. No roasting or burning or incinerating, if you please.
We no like roasting. 🙂
This was one of the funnest blog posts I’ve ever had the pleasure of writing, and doing it with my dear friend Maribeth made it even funner! Thank you again, sweet friend!
We are Reylo-obsessed, my lovelies, and trust me…you haven’t seen the last of us.
Is that a hint?
All I’m saying is,
So keep ’em open, honey. Keep ’em open.
9 thoughts on “Defending “The Rise of Skywalker” – A Collab Post w/ Maribeth!”
(*stealthily nabs that GIF of Rey getting popped on the hand because ONE, it’s the perfect reaction GIF, and TWO, it’s one of the great comedic moments of the Sequel Trilogy–gotta love Luke Skywalker and his Deadpan Sass*)
I am SO THRILLED that we got to do this, Emily. And I cannot wait for the Next Big Awesome Thing we’re gonna do. (*rubs hands in glee*) Ohhhhhhh, we’re gonna nerd out so much, the world won’t be able to DEAL!
GAH. Thank you, friend! I loved doing this with you as well! And gosh darn it, I was going to go and post a comment like this on *your* post, but you beat me to it!
Anyway, I am EVEN MORE THRILLED that we did this, Maribeth. Thank you so much for agreeing to do it with me! I’m so glad we were able to collaborate and let the world in on some of our Reylo ramblings. (“Reylo Ramblings” actually sounds really cool…hmm).
And YES! Wait until they see what we’ve got coming for them next! *big inhale and big smile*
This post is everything I’ve ever dreamed of (and MORE!!) 😱 So well written and I found myself nodding along to different things you both said!
1. My Reylo soul literally broke when Ben just…died. THAT’S IT?!? I wish they added him saying “I will always be with you”. I’m literally crying! I need closure lol. His death literally came out of NOWHERE! I mean, I knew he was hurt, but he could’ve had a few more seconds!
2. Adam Driver literally carried the trilogy with his performance! Kylo/Ben was such an evil person, but the fact that so many sympathize with him is impressive to say the least! I couldn’t help but feel sorry for him at the end.
3. this movie certainly deviated from TLJ. Rey goes from being a “nobody” to being a BIG somebody! The directors should have had better communication, but I preferred this movie better! Luke in TLJ was actually really disappointing for me! But come on, Kylo and Rey’s fighting together scene in TLJ was EPIC!!
4. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but maybe Kylo deserved to die. I mean, he killed and massacred SO many people! He needed to face the consequences. I just WISH we got to see Ben’s Force Ghost at the end, like waving to Rey lolss! That’s all I want, its all the closure I need.
HAHAHA I’m sorry for going off on such a tangent!! As you can tell, this movie really impacted me, and I love it! Take care!! 😀 ❤
Thank you so much for your comment, friend. I am so glad you loved this post.
Wouldn’t that have been tremendous if they had kept him alive for a few dying breaths? He died WAY too fast, in my opinion, and I was NOT ready for that to happen!
And oh yes, girl, Adam Driver is a legend. We stan. He really was a fantastic performed in the sequel trilogy. Daisy Ridley was also fantastic, if i might add. She’s the most adorable, smol, and fiercest of the Star Wars women. When she fought alongside Kylo (or when Kylo fought alongside her, rather) iT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I’D ALWAYS DREAMED OF! They were fantastic, and I loved the Dyad.
Yes, maybe his death was warranted for moral reasons, but honestly, my little heart just wishes they could have stayed alive. But, you’re right–if he had stayed alive, I feel like the movie would have been made a LOT longer, especially if he had gone back to the Resistance.
And NEVER apologize for getting excited, friend! That’s what we do on this blog! Sorry for taking so long to get back to you! It’s been one long week…
Hope you’re doing well and staying safe!
This movie. This movie. I will never be over this movie, no ma’am. 😉
I did end up liking how Rey was a Palpatine. I was really not expecting her to be related to any of the “prominent” Jedi or “good guys” because of all the fan theories going in that direction. Rey’s Palpatine heritage was the perfect smash to those theories and still not entirely inconceivable. 🙂
OHHH, BEN’S DEATH WAS TOO SOOOOOON!! I…I suppose I’m fine that it ended up with him dying, but I wish that it had happened after some more conversation between him and Rey and a bigger chance for him to redeem himself in the eyes of the Resistance. Though, I then start to think about how Finn, for example, would have reacted to his return to the Light? Was it better that his sacrifice and redemption was only seen by Rey? I don’t know! But, yes, I agree that Rey should have shed some tears!!! And that they had put the “I will always be with you” in the movie!!! (My Reylo heart exploded when I first read that in Maribeth’s post 🙂)
I so loved this post! And I’m keeping both eyes open for what’s coming next! *rubs hands in eager anticipation* Lovely job, Emily and Maribeth! 😄
DIS MOVIE. NO, WE WILL NEVER BE OVER DIS MOVIE, SIS!!!
I think we all agree that his death was way too soon. It was so sudden, and I honestly was so shocked. BUT YOU’RE RIGHT! WE WANT THE RESISTANCE TO KNOW ABOUT HIS REDEMPTION! You’re totally right – I kind of wish they would have had Rey tell everyone about what happened on Exegol, because no one knows that HE SAVED HER! How things would have changed…
But oh mah goodness. Isn’t “I will always be with you” such a beautiful thing? Why they didn’t include so many of these beautiful things into the film is beyond me…Disney needs some help. Like, NOW.
But I’m so glad you liked the post! And *rubs hands in eager anticipation with you* I hope you like what we’ve got comin’ next!!!
Wow. Definitely a difficult task to take on. Really glad that there are people out there who really enjoyed this movie.
Thank you so much! So glad you enjoyed the post. And YUS. We love this movie very very muchie. 🙂